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Paul Rees
[from the November 2004 issue of Q]
Death, despair and dining with the devil - these have been turbulent times
for U2. In a world exclusive interview they reveal the drama behind the album of their lives.
Bono looks like he is having a seizure. He lurches forwards, head shaking, eyes scrunched tight. He is also
singing. "Hello, hello," he mouths, punctuating each word by jabbing a finger at me. "We're at a place called Vertigo."
It
is 1 July and we are in the dining room of the Hanover Quay studio in Dublin. 'Vertigo', the first single from U2's new album,
is booming out from a pair of wall-mounted speakers. Bono is not having an epileptic fit, but rather he is dancing, albeit
without any recourse to rhythm. Like other men of a certain age - Jeremy Clarkson springs to mind - he is dressed head
to foot in denim.
The Edge is sitting at the room's long dinner table picking at a plate of salmon salad and nodding
along. Seated opposite, Larry Mullen and Adam Clayton are watching Greece knock the Czech Republic out of football's European
Championship. Neither pays their singer the slightest attention.
Eighteen months after they started work, U2 are about
to finish their 11th studio album a day ahead of schedule. It will be released in November and is titled How to Dismantle
an Atomic Bomb. Not that all has gone according to plan. It wouldn't be a U2 record if it had. Last Christmas, the band
scrapped a year's work and replaced original producer Chris Thomas (notable credits: Never Mind the Bollocks, Pulp's
Different Class) with long-time studio partner Steve Lillywhite ("We didn't gel, for whatever reason," Clayton says
of the aborted sessions).
Of more pressing concern now is the need to agree upon the album's running order. Bono and
The Edge have each devised a track listing. No one can agree on either. Each will sidle up to me during the evening and conspiratorially
insist that their version is better. "I'm not sure Edge's version works, " Bono says. "In fact, I told him it's preposterous.
You can't have a slow song second one in."
Set on the banks of the River Liffey and spread over two floors, Hanover
Quays would have the feel of a youth hostel were it not for the acres of expensive electronic equipment. The building is to
be demolished next year to make way for a riverside development. U2, courtesy of the Irish government, will be relocated
to a canary-wharf-style tower a mile up the river.
Upstairs there is a kitchen, dining room and a lounge equipped
with a sofa and a hatstand exclusively given over to Bono's many Stetsons. Floor-to-ceiling windows run the length of one
wall. A collection of bedraggled boats is moored outside. The band bought them to stop tour parties from sailing up to the
Quay and staring in at them. Downstairs is a rehearsal room, TV room and two studios. U2 recorded most of the album in the
smaller of the two. It's a dark pokey space you could cross in four strides.
Last night Bono gave two of the handful
of fans who keep vigil outside the studio a lift home, the condition being they listen to different mixes of the new tracks
in his car and nominate their preferences. Lillywhite, a garrulous gent with the air of a used car salesman styled for Miami
Vice, recalls Bono doing the same with a postman who wandered into the studio.
"That's one of the things Bono uses,"
says The Edge. "He'll throw on different things at home and see which gets the best reaction when the hoovering's happening.
As a band, famously, we will literally ask anyone."
Tonight I am to be U2's guinea pig. The plan is to have dinner
and listen to five new songs over a bottle of wine.
In the event U2 play the whole of the new album, initially in
no particular order. Lillywhite ferries a variety of CDs from downstairs. In addition to jerking spasmodically, Bono provides
a running commentary over each track - a "great bassline" here, a "terrible rhyming couplet" there.
The first impression
is of the most U2-sounding U2 album since The Joshua Tree. It has that album's epic scope, while also harking back
to early career peaks The Unforgettable Fire and War. Anthems and big themes are very much back in, confirming
the trajectory of 2000's All That You Can't Leave Behind. That album marked the point at which U2 self-confidence
returned and their mid-90s wobble - the sudden discovery of irony, dancing music and giant lemons - was placed firmly behind
them. By December 2001 and the end of the $143m-grossing Elevation tour, it was clear that U2 were back on a roll.
When
the others have drifted off, Bono suggests we hear the album in the order he would prefer it to run (two faster tracks, two
slower tracks, and so on). He grills me throughout: what should the singles be?; is this mix better than that?
"I'm
not being disingenuous," he insists. "I want to get another perspective. Because working here is like being marooned on an
oil rig. We get cut off."
Thom Yorke, you sense, does not do this. But Radiohead, unlike U2, don't strive to satisfy
the Everyman. Equally, Yorke is as likely to announce that his band are reapplying for the job of best in the world as he
is to invade Poland. Such was Bono's mission statement for All That You Can't Leave Behind. What is it to be this
time?
"It's never about competing with other bands," he says, lighting a cigarette. "We compete with ourselves, with
the idea of not becoming crap like everyone else does. Because the only way you can justify living like this - with your fancy
houses and no money problems - is surely not to be crap."
As Bono is queuing up his CD for a second time, Adam Clayton
and Steve Lillywhite wander back. The latter has come to collect Bono for his final vocal of the record. He eyes Bono smoking
and smiles. "It makes a change for Adam and I to be watching over Bono's bad habits," he says
"At least my habits are
legal," replies Bono archly as he gets up.
Adam Clayton is the black sheep of the U2 family, famous for getting engaged,
albeit briefly, to Naomi Campbell in 1993, and missing a gig in Sydney because he was too drunk to play. He says he hasn't
drunk alcohol for six years. These days, his idea of a perfect night is one where he is in bed by 11:30 PM.
Ask him
when he was last chatted up and he says, "By a bloke or a girl?", adding that it hasn't happened in either case for longer
than he can recall. "Once you take alcohol out of the equation, there's a lot less sex," he says.
With his graying
hair, bookish spectacles and gently lisping Home Counties accent, Clayton is more geography teacher than rock star. There
is, too, a vulnerability about him. He says he is no idea what he brings to the band.
"Playing bass has become much
simpler during the last two records," he says. "Before it used to be so complicated. I was always trying to come up with the
best possible, ever. When you put yourself under that much pressure you don't necessarily get anywhere. The wheels just spin
a lot."
Did you feel insecure about your position in the band?
"Yeah. There was a period of not being comfortable.
I can't put it down to anything."
It is 1am when The Edge invites me to hear his version of the album. He appears to
have waited for Bono to make himself scarce. He has, he says, compiled it according to mood. As it's playing, he explains
his reasoning for placing a song before or after the next in a soft, lilting voice. Then he pulls his ever-present woollen
hat over his eyes and sits nodding to himself. There's much of the mad scientist about The Edge. In last month's issue, Q's
newest contributor revealed that he had computed 39 million possible running orders for the new U2 album (reflecting on this,
Bono notes, "girls tend to make the best DJs and, let's be honest, The Edge is a girl with a moustache"). He drives a secondhand
BMW, which he keeps strictly to the speed limit.
Franz Ferdinand's 'Take Me Out' single was the last thing the Edge
heard which made him sit up and take notice. He unwinds with a round of golf or the odd game of tennis. He is only ever been
called "Mr Edge" when checking into hotels.
"This is going to be a great live record," he announces over the top of
'All Because of You's guitar solo.
Will lemons be involved?
"If memory serves, the lemon is a pretty lousy form
of transport. It was for sale on eBay for a while but I don't think there were any takers."
Dawn is coming. Larry
Mullen is sitting in the TV room idly channel surfing. He appears to have remained ageless for 20 years. Mullen only seems
to really relax when the tape switched off. He says that most of his friends are "builders and plumbers". When, in 1997, U2
released a high-camp video to accompany their Discotheque single, the regulars in Larry Mullen's local pub put the drummer's
scene as a disco-dancing cowboy on a tape loop on the video jukebox. He is not mourning the fact that U2 have stopped trying
to make us smile.
"I was always concerned that the further we moved from what we knew, the greater the danger we'd
disappear up our own arses," he says. "I couldn't cope with being called a pretentious prat."
Mullen says he's yet
to form an objective opinion of the new album. He is surprised the band has come through another one.
"There were some
heated debates as usual," he says "but the party line is, if you don't have a better idea, shut the fuck up. It usually does
the trick."
Bono enters to bid us goodnight. It is still dark outside but he is wearing sunglasses. "Did Edge play
you his version?" he asks. "Did you prefer his or mine?"
"You see what we have to put up with?" asks Mullen with a
long, weary sigh.
It's mid-July and U2 are in the south of France for their annual summer break. They have been coming
here since finishing The Joshua Tree. Larry Mullen and Adam Clayton each have homes off the coastal road which winds
eastwards out of Nice. The Edge and Bono and their families share a villa in the same area.
"Bono wanted us all to
share a place," says Mullen. "I told him, I'm happy to come here but I'm not living in the same house as you."
Bono
arranges to meet at a seaside restaurant 5 miles from Nice called the African Queen. The harbor it faces is home to a flotilla
of gleaming private yachts. It is pouring with rain but he is still wearing sunglasses, a straw Stetson atop his head. He
exchanges greetings in French with the owner.
Bono looks slimmer than he has for some time, having recovered from a
back injury he says that prevented him from working out. He admits to being self-conscious about his weight.
"I see
pictures of myself and think, Oh God," he groans. "I can look like a rock star. But I can also look like pudgy politician.
Or a darts player. It's always sexy on the inside, though."
He orders two glasses of rose and casually relates how
Robert DeNiro persuaded him to give a keynote speech at 2003's Tribeca film Festival. He goes on to recall meeting the Pope
five years ago.
"He was wearing oxblood loafers," says Bono. "I remember Quincy Jones turning to me and going check...
out... the... shoes. The cat is wearing pimp shoes!
"I'm a terrible name dropper," he offers with a smile. "But then
the right to be ridiculous is something I hold very dear." (Larry Mullen claims that whenever he's berated by a stranger in
Dublin, it is always about Bono. "I'll walk into the pub," he says, "and some old guy will go, Larry, yer man Bono, he's a
fuckin' eejit.")
Tomorrow Bono will be called by Radio 4's Today programme to pass comment on Gordon Brown's announcement
of the substantial increase in Britain's overseas aid. Bono co-founded the DATA (Debt, AIDS, Trade, in Africa) organisation
in 2002 to lobby the governments of the world's wealthy nations to do just that. He watched Brown's speech live in his villa.
It was, he says, "an amazing moment". Two years ago he stood next to George W. Bush when the U.S. President outlined an increase
in aid to Africa to $5 billion. "My life," he reflects, "is getting more and more surreal."
In addition to public meetings
with Bush and Tony Blair, Bono has successfully courted arch republican Jesse Helms (the 82-year-old former U.S. Senator who
described homosexuals as "weak, morally sick wretches") for donations to his AIDS drive. DATA itself is funded by billionaires
such as Bill Gates and George Soros. The latter bankrolls their Washington office.
"Bono is very good at figuring out
what he wants and how to get it," says Adam Clayton. "He has absolute dedication to achieving his goals. There are certain
things you think it might be prudent for him not to do, but he's a grown-up. He knows his business."
There have been
rumors of frustrations within the U2 camp at the amount of time Bono has been campaigning. Not so, says the Edge. He insists
Bono's absences allowed him time to work on the new record alone and it's all the better for that. He did beg Bono not to
meet with President Bush. But believes the end justified the means.
Bono himself says he'd have lunch with the Devil
to secure a donation.
"Some people I've met have made me sick to the stomach," he says. "I can't tell you their names
because I still have to work with them. But I've also got to like a lot of very conservative people. I find their up-frontness
can be more refreshing than my liberal friends, who tell me everything is possible but sometimes don't want to follow through."
It
would be easy to view these as the acts of a vainglorious rock star....
"Yes it would. And you wouldn't be wrong.
There's something very uncomfortable about a rich rock star being photographed with poor, starving kids. In that sense I wish
it wasn't me. I don't blame people for being cynical.
"I'm sure it's not all altruistic. There must be some ego involved.
There's a sense of duty, too. And I have the sort of personality where I believe I can always find a solution."
Bono
says he is the atomic bomb referred to in the album's title. On 21 August 2001, he was at his father Bob Hewson's bedside
when he died. It's a subject he mines for two of the record's best tracks - 'Sometimes You Can't Make it On Your Own' and
'One Step Closer'. On the former he sings, "It's you when I look in the mirror/It's you when I pick up the phone." When Bono
speaks about his father he does so haltingly. It is the only time he breaks eye contact.
"A bomb went off when my old
man died and I had no idea how to deal with it," he says. "If I'm honest, I've been running away from it for the past two
years.
"I've always enjoyed drinking and going out, but I found I was drinking far more. I went to Bali for a drink.
Got on a plane, went for two days, came back."
Why Bali?
"I don't know. Because I could. I was sitting in a
beach bar when I got there thinking, What am I doing here? I took on more and more projects. But eventually you have to turn
and face yourself. That's come to an end now with finishing this work. Literally in the last week I've felt a sense of putting
things to rest."
Three days ago, Bono went to a small church near his French home and lit a candle for his father.
Bob Hewson was, by all accounts, a bluff man not given to sharing his feelings. Bono says the two fought throughout his father's
life. He had flown home after each show on the band's last UK tour to be with him.
"I think we did make peace towards
the end" he says. "But in a really Irish way. We were like two men sitting in a pub and not talking to each other. He loved
Shakespeare so I read some to him. I drew him in his sleep. There was a greater understanding."
What was the last thing
he said to him?
"I can't remember. I can remember the last thing he said to me. I was sitting at the side of his bed
and he woke with a start. I asked him if he was OK and his mouth started moving. By then all he could do was whisper. I had
to put my ear to his mouth. And he said, Fuck off! Then he said, This place is a prison. Take me home."
What do you
miss most about him?
"Sometimes I forget he's not there. I want to call him. There's a whole raft of questions I wanted
to ask him and never did."
A thread running through the record is Bono musing on the nature of marriage. The protagonist
in 'A Man and A Woman', for example, ponders "forever, faith, sex and fear, and all the things that keep us here", before
concluding he could "never take a chance on losing love to find romance". Is he referring to himself here?
"It is personal,
yes" says Bono, "but I couldn't specifically tell you what that song's about. There's a desperate character in there, though.
I shake when I sing it. It obviously touches a nerve."
Bono and his wife Ali were classmates at school and have four
children, aged between 3 and 15. Bono describes his wife as confident, relaxed and smart. She is, he says, very much like
the Edge in that respect.
"Because Ali and I have known each other since we were kids, we're like mates," he says.
"People have tried to figure out our marriage for years. It's simple. Relationships need management and she's a very good
manager.
"There's still a lot I don't know about her. She's a mystery to me. Sometimes I feel I'm not good enough
for... I love her," he says, finishing his drink.
Bono admits he is becoming an embarrassing dad to his elder children,
particularly for his 13-year-old daughter Eve, a hip-hop fan. He relates how Jay-Z and Beyonce Knowles came to stay with him
in Ireland earlier this year. While hip-hop's foremost power couple were there, Bono overheard his daughter telling friends
her father had probably been "boring the arses" off his guests, talking about Africa.
"And I think I may have been,"
he says, laughing.
That evening Bono holds court at a small beachside bar down the road from his house. Larry Mullen
is here. Adam Clayton - whom the no-nonsense Mullen refers to as a "recovering alcoholic" - prefers not to be dragged along
to bars or clubs. The Edge has gone to pick his family up from the airport.
We sit on a wooden veranda overlooking
the moonlit Mediterranean, listening to Bono tell stories about Bob Geldof and Bob Dylan. He is indeed a terrible name-dropper.
Does he ever grow tired of being Bono?
"Listen," he says, "I am Bono and I'm sick of him. I really am. But there are
a lot of Bonos. Some annoy me more than others. Like Van Morrison said, I'll be great when I'm finished."
The last
we see of him, Bono is walking unsteadily down the pebbled beach and into the night. He takes off his Stetson, waves it the
once and is gone.
At the end of August Bono calls me at home. He is, he says, enjoying being on holiday, watching the
kids run around. Dr. Dre is coming next week for a social visit. Bono wants to know if he might have embarrassed anyone the
last time we spoke. "I have a dreadful habit of dropping other people in it," he says.
Since our last meeting he has
flown to Omaha to sing 'All I Want is You' at the funeral of Susan Buffett, wife of billionaire investor Warren Buffett and
a DATA board member. And the U2 album has been stolen. Or at least the Edge's copy of it has - he had left it in his bag while
the band were doing a photoshoot.
"I was so happy it was him," says Bono. "It's the sort of thing I would do. Everything
turned a little Pink Panther down here for a while. There were gendarmes falling out of the sky. But it looks to have turned
out OK - it hasn't popped up anywhere yet."
Bono has sent copies of the album to Rick Rubin, Michael Stipe and Interscope
Records co-chairman Jimmy Iovine. The consensus, he says, is that U2 have made their best record.
"I played it yesterday
for the first time in a while and I was blown away," he says. "It's such a personal record. You know, it may just be our best.
I won't know until there's a little more distance. But right now it feels like the one we've waited 25 years to make."
You
said last time that they were many Bonos. Which did I meet?
"I'd say you met several," he says. There's a pause on
the line. "Did I really say that?" he finally asks. "People who speak about themselves in the third person are to be avoided
at all times. That I'm doing so is a real worry."
Anything else to declare?
"Guilty of all that I'm charged
with," he concludes. "And a whole lot more that I haven't told you about."
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Vertigo
U2 as garage band. Over power chords, Bono sings about boys who play rock 'n' roll.
Adam Clayton: "It was originally called 'Native Son' and had a very different feel. Bono and Edge rewrote it when we started
work with Steve Lillywhite. The bass and drums have a little bit of Echo & The Bunnymen in there - a nice wink to where
we came from."
Miracle Drug
The sort of wide-eyed anthem that should by now carry a U2 patent. Bono:
"It started off being about the Irish writer Christopher Nolan, who was at our school (Nolan, who was born with cerebral palsy,
won the 1988 Whitbread Prize for his autobiographical novel Under The Eyes Of The Clock). But in a more oblique way
it's probably as much about AIDS and the drugs developed to arrest it. I couldn't write specifically about that without feeling
an idiot."
Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
Bono on his father's death. As stately and emotive
as 'One'. Bono: "There's a line, 'You're the reason I have the operas in me.' My old man was a beautiful tenor. He was this
working-class guy who loved opera. He used to sit conducting the stereo with knitting needles."
Love And Peace Or
Else
As close as U2 have come to being Led Zeppelin. The Edge: "I'm delighted about this one. It's been around
since the last record. All we had was an amazing keyboard part of Brian [Eno]'s and a rhythm section Larry and Daniel [Lanois]
had worked up. I fought for hours trying to figure out what to do with this fantastic raw track. We cracked it this time.
City
of Blinding Lights
Back to the wide-open terrain of The Unforgettable Fire, via a vintage Edge motif.
Bono: "It's a New York song. About going there for the first time. We were the first band to play Madison Square Gardens after
9/11. During 'Where The Streets Have No Name' the house lights came up and there were 20,000 people in tears. It was beautiful."
All
Because Of You
Three minutes of gleeful stomping and a likely single. Sample lyric: "I like the sound of my own
voice." Adam Clayton: "Often when we have something which is straight rock it never goes anywhere - we just keep churning
it around. But this was one or two takes."
A Man And A Woman
Motown by way of The Rolling Stones' 'Waiting
On A Friend'. Bono: "The sound of sitting on a stoop in New York in the summer. I wanted a song that rolled up The Clash and
Marvin Gaye into one."
Crumbs From Your Table
The Edge breaks out 'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking
For's ringing guitar. Bono rails at the Aids crisis. Bono: "I went to speak to Christian fundamentalist groups in America
to convince them to give money to fight Aids in Africa. It was like getting blood from a stone. I told them about a hospice
in Uganda where so many people were dying they had to sleep three to a bed. Sister Anne, who I mention in the song, works
at that hospice. Her office is a sewer."
One Step Closer
Bono ponders the meaning of death over a hushed
backdrop. Bono: "Noel Gallagher gave me that line. We were in Birmingham on the last UK tour. I was telling Noel my old man
had lost his faith and didn't know where he was going. And Noel just said (adopts passable Mancunian drawl), Well he's one
step closer to knowing, isn't he?"
Original Of The Species
A strident torch song. Contains the lines,
"Some things you shouldn't get too good at/Like smiling, crying and celebrity." The Edge: "The last time I cried was listening
to that song. It was a song Bono started on the last record about my daughter Holly. He's her godfather. The lyric became
more universal. About being young and full of doubt about yourself. He probably won't agree, but I think it has connotations
for Bono, looking back to when he was 20."
Yahweh
Quintessentially U2 - from soaring chorus to a title
that co-opts the Hebrew word for God. Bono: "I had the idea that no one can own Jerusalem, but everybody wants to put flags
on it. The title's an ancient name that's not meant to be spoken. I got around it by singing it. I hope I don't offend anyone."
Fast
Cars
Bizarrely, U2 come on like the house band in a Moroccan bazaar. Bono: "We did this on the very last day in
the studio. It was really just for fun, but it came out so well it'll be an extra track on the record in some countries."
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Q magazine, 2004.
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